He didnt know what to make of it then. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. There was a problem loading your book clubs. I have to be honest, I've stopped reading this at 27%. She fled to Newfoundland a week after Andrews murder and vowed to fight extradition. Shortly after being taken into custody, Turner announced that she was pregnant with Andrew's child, a boy she named Zachary. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. 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MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. The show takes four couples who are having trouble in their relationship and separates them from one another. Get help and learn more about the design. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. She posts with her new love often and is very open about how happy she feels in the relationship. The project took a tragic turn and became a catalyst for legal change when Zachary didn't live to see it. One of the best books that I have ever read. `When Andrew would cry, David would say, `To think we paid good money for this,' Kate jokes. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. KATE: So this man said to me, `Do you know that Shirley Turner's pregnant with your son's child? David Bagby, who plans to send a copy of his book to key Canadian legislators, says he will continue to fight for bail reform. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. She picked Zachary up and wandered for an hour or more along coastal roads and paths. Some months ago I watched the documentary, "Dear Zachery" on Netflix. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. Do not get me wrong: it is a ver emotional history with a real case but I am not sure to have a book about it and I think that the family deserves respect. Zachary was learning some words well, words he understood that Kate and David were sure they understood, too. Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. I kind of. It was a joy and Zachary was much loved, Kate says. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. The murder-suicide was a huge news story in Canada. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. MORRISON: The sea at midnight was endless black. But Turner did a strange thing: she woke Zachary up and said to him: "Say goodbye to Grandma and Grandad. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. Then, on August 16, six weeks before Turner was to appear in court, the Bagbys went with her and Zachary to a swimming pool. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. Time to stay civil with the woman who killed their child. Someone found a car that didn't belong. Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. Shirley's message of "Mommy loves you" to Zachary is replayed following, Shirley Turner not only never sees justice for Andrew's murder, but by. The two eventually lived together again. It was time for the Bagbys to join Turner and baby Zachary on outings to the local pool. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. Extensive research, law proceedings are all included as well as other crimes that happened while the story takes place.Excellent read. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. Harriette Cole: I don't want the neighbor's kids at my house, Dear Abby: My wife said she doesn't like it, but it's part of my life, Ask Amy: I feel guilty for not speaking up about my co-worker's activities, Ask Amy: I'm your cabin housekeeper, and you apparently have no idea what I do. Cpl. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. Theyd fly back to Sunnyvale to hold a memorial service. The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. What he and his wife went through is truly disgusting. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. She was placed on suicide watch after intake screening. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. Turner had not finished with the family yet. Though the 1,100-page Turner report says Turner maintained a fairly active social life while she was fighting extradition, the investigations narrative includes a number of signs that some of her personal relations were strained. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. All Access Digital offer for just 99 cents! I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. There was the swimming pool and the pool table and the parents who were always there, but never in the way. For David, of course, there is the book, but there is also the caldron of emotion that refuses to let him rest until hes sure hes done all he can to prevent others from going through what he and Kate have endured. Her former lover was found dead in a parking lot at Keystone State Park in Pennsylvania,northeast of Pittsburgh. The rest of the documentary describes the fallout of Zachary's death, but for his family and for the judicial system. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. Andrew is dead. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. I didnt know Americans could quote Shakespeare.'. And now I want to read the book. Zachary's corpse described him as looking up to the sky. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. There are so many questions raised:why was there no psychological profile done on Turner as she awaited trial?Why did child protection services not do their job and protect ( or even follow closely) Zachary? Andrew Bagby was a genial boy with dark hair hanging over his cherubic face. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. I have some hope that telling this story in detail has a chance to cause change in the law, David says of his book. Kate and David thus lose their son and grandson to the same evil womanand the former might still be alive today had the court system not let Shirley walk free. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. Hed walk a little and then, boom, hed fall down.. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. But the interview never happened and the social workers brief report was one of the last notes to ever go into Turners file. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. Cpl. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. TVTropes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. I can only imagine this book to be heartbreaking. The idea is for both individuals to be tempted by the singles, and ultimately decide if their partners are their perfect matches. Feb 15, 2022 kate and david bagby still alive. The title of the documentary, "Dear Zachary" jumped out at me because I have a son named Zachary. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearablebut Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. Fans guessed from the beginning that the couple would not make it off ofTemptation Islandtogether, and they were right. `Are you Kathleen Bagby? I said, `Yes. He said, `You have to call the coroner in Greensburg. I knew then, it had to be Andrew.. At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. The reality was almost too much to comprehend. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. Meeting her at 6. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. Very powerful story, artfully told. I just want to get through medical school.'. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. "Kate and I are very close and that helps. Something went wrong, please try again later. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. He was like Andrew. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. Would dismantling Interstate 980 repair damage to Black neighborhoods? He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. IRS delays tax deadline for Bay Area, but California hasn't followed: What should you do? Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. Than they are able to see a light at the end of the tunnel when she announces she is pregnant with Andrew Bagby's child, to be named Zachary. It gets a bit bogged down in legal tedium. David Bagby, 61, has written a book about much of it, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, scheduled for release late this month by Canadian publisher Key Porter Books Limited. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' because it's hard to get off Newfoundland. Privacy Policy. the water. In the spring of 2002, David quit his job and Kate took a leave. David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. After all the backlash he received for his behavior, however, his decision to step away from the spotlight isn't surprising. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. But that is what the Bagbys. It was the last time the Bagbys would see Zachary. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. Get Morning Report and other email newsletters. Neither speaks for the other. We. Obsessive and unstable, Shirley Turner lied to the police and fled to her family home in Newfoundland before she could be arrested. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. Andrew came to St. John's. Written by the father of the murder victim, you learn all the details that led up to his son's murder and the preventable murder of his grandson. murderer in check. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. In November 2002, a year after Andrew's murder, the judge in Turner's extradition case finally threw out the queries raised by her lawyer and put Turner in jail, ruling there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. Their sons killer was off the streets and their grandchild would come live with them. I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. She studied international business and marketing before finding her passion for writing. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. Tragically, Shirley kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. The court allowed the Bagbys supervised visits with Zachary. Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. Keith Morrison reports. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. And I know, you love me, and--yeah. His arguments towards the refusal of parole for alleged murderers is superb and really shows how idiotic the laws can be. Kurt Kuenne embarked on the documentary following the murder of his best friend, Andrew. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. I was just hoping more from this book, but I can understand it. He was such a good baby. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". You can, just--there's nothing. 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